Component Markup Language

Matthew Sergeant (EML) Matthew.Sergeant at
Fri Feb 5 09:48:58 GMT 1999

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Frank Boumphrey [SMTP:bckman at]
> >HTML 4 isn't quite up to providing a full GUI, even with the DOM. For
> >example you can't do menu's.
> Thats news to me!
	The HTML WG seem to have a different concept of what menus are to
normal application developers. I mean an application that has it's own
window with it's own menus. No back button - the window should be totally
defined by the XML. Without using Javascript tricks. I didn't mean the
<select> tag - or even the deprecated <menu> tag. I mean drop down menus
that can have submenus.

> You can't do buttons with images on them (I'm
> >not talking about images that are buttons),
> What about the <button> element?
> <button>
>     <img src="stop.gif">
>     <br>Stop!!
> </button>
> willl give as good a button with an image as VB or C++
	:-) Missed that I guess.

>  you can't do tabbed dialogs
> >(well, you can, but it's non-trivial),
> It's almost trivial using CSS. Use the z layer property.
	Yes - almost trivial, but the design of the tabs is up to the
designer - it's not provided by the OS.

> I'm sure there are other things. Of
> >course you could add these things into HTML 5, but I don't think it's
> worth
> >going down that road.
> X HTML, (I don't think that I am selling any state secrets here)  will
> include a complete rewrite of 'forms', including new interfaces.
> I for one, and I'm sure that other members of the HTML WG would be very
> interested in learning what extra needs people have for the GUI, or for
> information handling on the client side.
	Well, I think we're really talking apples and oranges here. I want
to be able to write applications in XML, with some embedded Javascript, or
Perl. I don't want to write forms because then I'm stuck with the whole of
the browser (i.e. it's buttons and menus, or I can open a new window with no
buttons and menus, but then I can't add menus, and the buttons don't
integrate as a toolbar, and I can't have a nicely integrated status bar...).
Basically I want XUIL - and I can't wait until it's ready for prime time.


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