Architectural Forms and Oracle (or SIM) [was Re: "Multiple" Namespaces? (but NOT for HTML)]

John Robert Gardner jrgardn at
Mon Nov 29 15:42:43 GMT 1999

Rather than strictly re-visit the multiple namespaces issue (or detract
from the SML/RTSML/XML/WAP/RSS etc. threads), I wanted to request if list
members can allow me to inquire further regarding a possible solution
ssuggested by Paul as to my question some time back, viz. the following
(question follows this short snip-set of preceding discussion):

On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Paul Prescod wrote:

> John Robert Gardner wrote:
> > 
> > <GoalScenario>
> > Heinrich at Humboldt U. in Berlin is dilligently searching the world's
> > various library resources with his Dublin-Core-Based engine for
> > <Creator>Tillich</Creator> and we want his DC system to transparently find
> > the wealth of Tillich articles we'd have online.
> > </GoalScenario>

> Yes, architectural forms work fine with XML now. But to some degree you
> must choose your solution based on the software available. There are
> various toolkits that are archform aware but I don't know of any
> A mythical architectural form-smart search engine would "pretend" to do
> that conversion, in real-time, when the query was done and cache the
> results intelligently. But such a thing doesn't exist as a general tool.
> If is is structured property name-value pairs then you need something
> object orientish like an RDF engine or an object database. You need name
> aliasing but it needs to be hierarchical.
> If the proper model is elements within elements then you need an
> XML-specific solution like architectural forms. That's going to be
> harder to find.

Paul's suggestion of Arch. forms is making more and more sense,
but--accordingly--it's getting me toward a little on the worrisome side as
to supporting software.  I've yet to begin puttering with PL/SQL for our
current Oracle setup and, while we're preparing soon to seriously look at
SIM, I'm wondering if anyone out there has suggestions of possible
software we could/should be looking at (Steve Muench on this?) for working
with ORacle and Arch. Forms for the time being?

I've looked at Eliot Kimber's article ofn SGML Architectures at and noted Clark's SP works
with Arch Forms, beyond htis, however, I'm uncertain as to where to


Thank you very much,


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