ANN: XML and Databases article
Daniel.Veillard at w3.org
Thu Sep 9 10:31:35 BST 1999
> Groves are going to turn out to be like Linux, which began with a very
> few people who had a vision that turned out to work. As was the case
> with Linux in those early days, there is nobody doing big media
> advertising about it, and even the trade press, whose income is
> derived from such advertising, hasn't heard of groves very much. That
Hum, don't mix an match things at a different level. Linux got
success because of two things:
- it was pretty well defined, i.e. a reimplementation of the
UNIX without any attemps to get into "research" or new
semantic fields. So basically it was a implementation challenge
not a research one.
- The code source is available, moreover with a 'contaminating'
licence at the kernel level, allowing it to grow it's community
When faced with "groves" I still have a serious problem with both
- Show me a definition so that I can understand the term and
underlying concept clearly enough that an implementation
time is spend not collecting and reading papers but implemening
something well defined.
Even reading http://www.prescod.net/groves/shorttut/ I still can't
get a clear definition of "what is a grove precisely".
Not at the concept level, but a implementable definition say
on top of the XML infoset (for XML documents).
- Show me the code. Not that there is none, I just don't know.
Is there a program available in source code, that I can run
on say a laptop in front of a novice (but programmer kind)
audience (say a Gnome developper's group) allowing me in 3 mn
to show a "grove" in action and what it does for them.
Get both, and if you're lucky you will experience the same success
as linux. In the meantime me and others are still wondering what's
really behind that 5 letters word !
P.S.: Don't get me wrong, I not negative, mostly interrogative, and
honnestly a bit puzzled by the comparison. Give me both (or even
a set of clearly understandable graphics for the second point) and
I can try to propagate that notion once i have understood it.
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