ANN: XML and Databases article

Daniel Veillard Daniel.Veillard at
Thu Sep 9 10:31:35 BST 1999

> Groves are going to turn out to be like Linux, which began with a very
> few people who had a vision that turned out to work.  As was the case
> with Linux in those early days, there is nobody doing big media
> advertising about it, and even the trade press, whose income is
> derived from such advertising, hasn't heard of groves very much.  That

 Hum, don't mix an match things at a different level. Linux got
success because of two things:
   - it was pretty well defined, i.e.  a reimplementation of the
     UNIX without any attemps to get into "research" or new
     semantic fields. So basically it was a implementation challenge
     not a research one.
   - The code source is available, moreover with a 'contaminating'
     licence at the kernel level, allowing it to grow it's community
 When faced with "groves" I still have a serious problem with both
   - Show me a definition so that I can understand the term and
     underlying concept clearly enough that an implementation 
     time is spend not collecting and reading papers but implemening
     something well defined.
     Even reading I still can't
     get a clear definition of "what is a grove precisely".
     Not at the concept level, but a implementable definition say
     on top of the XML infoset (for XML documents).
   - Show me the code. Not that there is none, I just don't know.
     Is there a program available in source code, that I can run
     on say a laptop in front of a novice (but programmer kind)
     audience (say a Gnome developper's group) allowing me in 3 mn
     to show a "grove" in action and what it does for them.

  Get both, and if you're lucky you will experience the same success
as linux. In the meantime me and others are still wondering what's
really behind that 5 letters word !

P.S.: Don't get me wrong, I not negative, mostly interrogative, and
   honnestly a bit puzzled by the comparison. Give me both (or even
   a set of clearly understandable graphics for the second point) and
   I can try to propagate that notion once i have understood it.

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